The harder side of curation: Removal

Curation seems a lot of fun when you’re constantly getting new things, assimilating them into your life, onto your shelf, building your ā€œyouā€.
But eventually the day comes when it’s too much. You’re out of space. Stuff is piling up. Your binder’s overflowing. Your hard drive is full.

What strategies do you implement to make the hard part of actually removing the extra stuff easier? How do you knock down the walls of justification etc. for keeping things and actually curate? I’d love to hear your ideas!

I like to use a combination of how much I care about something, how much I feel I would want to rexperience it and how easily I can get a hold of it again.

Let’s say I brought and played Assassin’s Creed for PS3. It’s not something I would see myself playing again very soon after a playthrough, it doesn’t mean much to me and it is dirt cheap and extremely common. So that would be something I have no issues parting with.

Then take Gravity Rush. Like Assassin’s Creed, I don’t see myself playing it very soon after a playthrough, but I really love this game and it is a bit more on the expensive side. So it would stay.

Then there is something like Sonic 3, I love it to bits and will replay it often. So that definitely won’t leave the collection.

Now if there was a game that I am unlikely to return to anytime soon and don’t have particularly strong feels about, but it is also hard to come by? Well that is where things will get complicated and I will have to have a really long think about it’s value to me.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that things you remove from the collection could be sold or traded in to fund new items. So the value you get for removing them may outweigh the value for keeping them.

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It’s a rigorous process. For me, it usual comes present in times of moving, rearranging or reorganization. I think it’s super easy to just accumulate and store; if it’s in its space, then it falls out of the forefront of my mind as it is in a ā€œresolvedā€ spot. Moving things around, reorganizing, even just taking an intentional flip through it all can help get the ball rolling, and disrupting that ā€œresolvedā€ sense in my mind. The moment I have an ounce of doubt, a consideration of ā€œdo I still need this?ā€ I act on it. Some things are super easy, just toss it in a donation box and get on with it. The stuff that makes me pause doesn’t get put back, it gets left out in the open for another time. This is two fold, because at some point later, I’m going to need to put it away. That then provides me with another opportunity for consideration— I either want to keep it bad enough to put it away, or I confirm my prior hesitations and decide to toss it in the donate box. Things that I’m still in the fence about, I’ll take a step further and move it somewhere else— maybe a different spot to put away later, or maybe a different display location. Just somewhere present that I’m bound to provide myself another opportunity for consideration. Sometimes, things get stuck in this limbo loop of too sentimental to just toss, but not valuable enough to keep for a little too long— typically that is my sign to give it to someone who I believe would care about it like I do. It’s a great way to both remove stuff, while also not feeling like I’m just throwing that part of myself away, and retaining some of the connection I have to it through a shared relationship I have with the receiver. Family & friends I see frequently enough are obviously the preferred destination, but a degree of separation doesn’t hurt either. Ultimately, it is still removal, it just feels a little warmer as it’s sharing that part of your self with someone else, and let’s it still exist in that relationship connection in some capacity.

While the process is easier in a physical world, it can be transposed in a sort of delete or archive manner. ā€œAm I ever going to revisit this?ā€, ā€œDo I need the information here another time?ā€. Consider → take action. Move it, store it, delete it, so on. Digital things don’t take up space the same way physical things do, so it tends to suffer a bit more in amassing a large collection of things. It’s incredibly easy to do as it doesn’t really take up physical space, it’s super easy to move and store, and thus super easy to mentally ā€œresolveā€. That’s why personally, I think it’s better to make the collection process the main point of friction, as cleaning up that mess is super cumbersome. If I have to jump through a lot of hoops to acquire something, then each hoop is an opportunity to contemplate if I really want something that bad or not. For example, I personally really like the idea of using the library as the layer of friction to obtaining CDs to burn and upload to my MP3 player. That’s a lot of steps compared to just streaming it, but all of those steps are opportunities for consideration. Furthermore, I personally strive to fill out the metadata myself as opposed to some full sweeping automation, as if I care enough about something, I’ll go through the effort of tagging it myself— which also ensures it’s accuracy. It’s tedious, but also offers the opportunity to curate, organize & tag in a way that is uniquely my own, along with opportunities to reflect & take notes too.

Side story regarding my current removal & curation through culling process regarding music

I’m currently in the middle of a multi-year digital music file clean up process that goes through spurts of motivation (currently it has been dormant for the past 6 months due to house hunting.) I had a bunch of stuff from library swapping during High School & College, but hardly any of it was properly tagged or filled with metadata. All those files sat on an external storage drive for quite some time, and it wasn’t until a couple years ago with my desires to push back into self-owned media that I revisited it. Pruning was a process, I’ve pretty much did a quick skim of everything I knew I wanted to keep, pulled those out. Then, anything I was unsure of I gave a brief listen. I have a pretty good pulse on what my preferences are, so I could figure out if I wanted to delete the track in 15 seconds (I think I did that for about 1k songs or so.) Last I left off, I’m rather sure I got through all of the metadata tagging using MP3Tag. At this point, I’m slowly bringing my files into an app called Crates, which I ultimately hope can be used as a bridge between streaming & owning. But, in the meantime, it’s ability to build out tagging around genres and moods has been super nice.

Anyway, back to the main point regarding removal. This process is perpetual and always on going. But, I think that’s part of defining taste and pruning back a collection of things to a curated select few. How much stuff you can carry is always circumstantial, I had to prune back a lot of stuff when I moved and forced a lot more of that contemplation then I would normally. While at some point I may have used some of these things, or revisit the old hobby— it was very likely something that I haven’t touched in years, and if I really want to get back into it/recollect it, then it was something that typically didn’t have such a heavy cost associated to it. (Or, if it did, I resold it anyway.) These items clearly are not as strong and present in my identity today, and so were something ultimately I was comfortable parting with. Forcing removal isn’t usually fun, but frequently, I often don’t find myself missing the things I was forced to part with.

I know with ADHD brain it can be easy to deffer things until later, so I think by implementing a ā€œdecision byā€ point is important within the process. For me, that’s typically after I’ve moved something around to a new location, but it can take shape in many forms. Set a reminder to alert you in a week, month, 3 months, what have you that demands decision then— and adhere to the rules you set for yourself.

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Thanks for sharing! Also thank you for highlighting Crates, hadn’t yet heard of it.

GOOD GODS I CANNOT IMAGINE. From my very first CD rip to now, if the metadata can’t be quickly obtained, I’m not ripping it. Tedium is one thing I can’t handle and the lack of a DVDDB similar to CDDB for movies/TV shows is insane to me. I gave up ripping TV Shows because getting the metadata correct (when episodes are often out of order on the disc etc.) makes it an absolute nightmare.

I do it late at night, if I’m sick n tired of everything, then The gems I couldn’t possibly let go of:trade_mark: rise above the mehs.
I do get conflicted over the things that would be hard to find/obtain again. It is a very ā€œhoard all the things!ā€ season. For digital things I try to have them findable again in some way, be it on some on-platform bookmark or Onetab list, even browser history, just knowing it is possible to recover if need be is comforting.
For games I haven’t played yet I follow a certain ā€œhaterā€ steam curator, for a quick overview of ā€œso what’s wrong with it this time? DRM? Kernel Anti-Cheat? Performance?ā€ to cool down the hype. May not be enough to discard them entirely but moving them below Top10 Upcoming can be enough to move on. :link: Steam Curator: Shitlisting Service
Should A Game Never Be Boring? | Semi-Ramblomatic ~ Second Wind :link: I have been sorting by the ā€œMakes-you-feel versus Makes-you-numbā€ especially for youtube and games; trying to push through a needs-full-attention-thing when tired just made me feel guilty for wasting time on doing it twice. I’ve been avoiding numbing things lately, it feels like they’re keeping me stuck more than they help to cope. (Sorting still is a numbing activity though)

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It’s a shame that that Steam group is flooded with complaints about stuff like ā€œDEIā€ that get in the way of finding the useful information you mentioned.

Although it is really funny to see people complaining about the Final Fantasy VII Remake trilogy being woke. The remake of a (far from subtle) game about climate change and greedy corporations.

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Why do the video essayists always attract the worst people?

This group is pretty handy, thanks! I usually try to avoid reading reviews etc. but these are just straight up game breaking things they usually talk about. Been reading through it and a lot of good stuff is on there, also some pretty funny stuff, like f.e.

While l’m usually not bothered about it, it’s still interesting to learn about what DEI actually is, as they talk about it here

I’m far away from america so I’ll stay away from USA politics :sweat_smile: . I did call it a hater curator lol, people wouldn’t be so exigent about mentioning day 1 DLC and invasive DRM if they liked the games, I guess (don’t ban me plis I like it here)

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Same tbh, it’s just interesting to read about DEI in games lol. It’s just the name ā€œSweet Baby Inc.ā€œ that I thought was funny. Also, the harshness of some of the reviews I read on there were funny to me, especially reviews on games I’ve played and enjoyed. But no worries, I’m not willing to start a whole political discussion about it :wink:

My main use case for this group would also be DRM, kernel anti-cheat, performance, … Always nice to know these things about a game before buying it, and this without getting spoiled about the content of the game. But then again as you mentioned, it is a bit of a hater curator so I will be looking at it with a bit of skepticism

I wasn’t intending to call anyone out by bringing up that side of the group. I just thought it was important to mention as things like ā€œDEIā€ and ā€œSweet Babyā€ are often used by people with ulterior motives and it is worth keeping vigilant.

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Same, it’s indeed just good to be informed about those topics. I also want to make it clear that I don’t agree with these claims about DEI and Sweet Baby and I also think it’s a shame that this group is flooded with those complaints. These things don’t bother me at all. I think there was a misunderstanding and I may not have phrased/worded my reply correctly.

I just thought it was interesting to learn what those topics are since I had never heard of them. I hope I did not offend anyone or gave anyone a bad image of me. I therefore also want to apologize to anyone who I’ve offended and for starting this discussion.

You didn’t offend me. I just said these things in general to anyone who might see it, moreso any lurkers that might be uninformed than the people just chatting.

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I’m glad to hear, thanks! That’s one of the reasons why I love this place, it allows real people to just talk openly about their interests without being judged about it. The world is still a beautiful place, you just have to view it the right way.

Anyway, to come back on the topic of curation, I’ve never really sold/gave away any physical games/media. The only physical games I really own are Wii games. As a child/teen, I didn’t really have friends who had a Wii and the ones who had owned all those games already. Also never really thought about selling them. Now that I’m older, I decided to just keep them as a nice memory to this awesome console. Even while I don’t use them anymore since I have a digital backup of most of them, it’s still nice to have those but more as a collectors item.

My PC games are all digital and most of them are bought through Steam. I tend to only install 2-3 at a time and remove them when I’ve completed or I’m done with the game. That way I keep my PC as well as my mind clean by limiting choice and cleaning what I won’t use for a while.

I do feel like the approach @PocketEleri also applies to me sometimes, and that is when I’m choosing a new game to play. For example, I’ve recently finished The Last Gas Station, which is mainly a management sim. When I went to look in my Steam library for a new game, I based my choice on 2 things: on what I wanted to play ofc., but also on what I have recently played/have not played in a while. I wanted to play a bigger game with a story, but didn’t want another management sim since I’ve just finished one and I would be comparing too much, get tired of the genre, … So that’s mostly how I curate my games. (I decided to go with Hitman: WoA btw, which I really like so far. The only downside is that the game really pushes through their DLC shop, but the game itself is filled with enough content to keep me busy for a good few months so makes up for it.)

My music I curate by deleting playlists I don’t listen to anymore, but that’s rare since I have like a playlist for a few of my favorite genres and I switch depending on my mood. I also often just listen to the radio. Movies and series I also don’t really curate since I don’t really watch those. If I watch a movie, it’s usually one that’s on TV.

For YouTube, I think @kyller3030 ā€˜s approach is an interesting one since if I think about it I’ve been watching a lot of numbing content as well. It’s nice to unwind once in a while, but I feel like I should make more of a distinction between full focus and numbing content. Also, my Watch Later is very full atm since I’ve recently been on a 3 week holiday. I usually keep it empty and only watch videos from my subscription box, so this is 3 weeks worth of my subscriptions atm lol. I did filter through it a bit after adding all videos I thought I wanted to watch so that I only kept the videos I REALLY want to watch, which are still a lot but a lot less than there were initially. Cleaning up/curating my Watch Later was a bit ā€œtoughā€œ, but felt really rewarding afterwards. It also took a lot of pressure away since it wasn’t endless hours worth of YT videos anymore.

I think I struggle the most with the ā€œwhat ifsā€. What if this game is hard to find later? What if my kid wants to play it even if I don’t? etc.

Yeah that’s also why I kept on to my old Wii games and a few DS games, like what if I can make someone happy with them or what if I want to replay them. In some cases it’s easy to come around those games, but these days some are hard to find or expensive so I’d rather keep on to them in thats case

ā€œWhat is" are definitely the hard aspect to deal with.

If possible, having some sort of storage solution that sacrifices ease of access for more storage space (like an attic) could be used as an intermediary stage between the library and removal.

Although that does carry it’s own issues of still being finite, and the age old issue of being ā€œout of site, out of mindā€.

In retrospect, I think my phrasing & word choice is rather misleading. I use a level of automation/fetching via MP3Tag, which fetches metadata information via Discogs or MusicBrainz— but what I mean is that I am doing this album by album as opposed to a full, all at once library sweep. I personally just like my information to be correct, and I also like to avoid having to go back and correct things. So, ā€œfill outā€ is the wrong word here, it’s more of an fetch & audit that I do album by album, or track by track. Setting all of the richer tagging within Crates is definitely super manual, though.

TV is an absolute nightmare though, most definitely. I think the friction helps curation, though. If it’s something I care enough about, I’ll jump through the hoops.

I’ll be the first to admit I have hording tendencies when it comes to collecting stuff. I do not like getting rid of things. But knowing that, I become very restrictive on what I collect or buy. I resist the urge of seeing an old console at a store and thinking ā€œI need to save and preserve that.ā€ But for what? I’m not going to interact with it to justify the cost. I’ve already got enough consoles and games that don’t get the attention they deserve. And there are plenty of other people who might enjoy it more.

I’ve not hit the point of needing to purge stuff yet but am getting close (for what I feel is acceptable and what I think my wife willing to put up with). It will be very hard when that day comes. My family has spent a long time collecting music, TV shows, and movies that I rip and put on the server instead of subscribing to multiple streaming services. All the discs & cases are on a custom shelve I built during the pandemic where I can ā€œenjoy seeing them.ā€ My server/NAS has about 3TB of space left (12TB total). There’s definitely stuff that needs cleaned up and purged, but that’s a future agizmo’s problem.

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This thread got me thinking about my YT subscriptions a bit more. I decided to go through them and clean them up by removing content that was ā€œnumbingā€œ me a bit too hard or channels I didn’t really watch anymore. Now I’m left with only a few subscriptions of YT’ers I actually want to watch. From time to time, I do crave a good let’s play or an interesting video essay but I’ve realized that some content I watched was too attention-grabbing, so I’m happy I did some cleaning.

The cleaning also made me wonder what you guys watch on Youtube. Does anyone here have any recommendations for good channels who post long form content? Anything from old school let’s play’s, video essays, … the subject does not really matter since I’m open to widen my interests, I’m just looking for some content that is not attention-grabbing and actually requires me to focus. So if anyone has any recommendations, please let me know! Thanks!